Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Fr. Ramon Andreu's Notes: Part One, Post 18


Third Manifestation

While we were speaking with the girls they fell into a trance. It is very brief. We were next to them and we heard what they said very clearly. It’s the part of the dialogue that corresponds to the girls. I took the account that was made from the combination of his notes, and those from Fr. Cipriano Abad and Andrés Pardo. Fr. Luís made them four or five days before his death.


“Upon finishing these questions they had another Vision while the priests were near them.


Dialogue:

“Now bring the Child.” (They laugh, kiss, and offer smiles).

“The Child is very beautiful! Look at the Child’s crown.”

“Take it, don’t take me!—Why don’t you stretch a little more?”

“You return with the Child. You say that you won’t come again. Where do you have him? Is he sleeping?”


“How beautiful!”

“How old is he? Why don’t you say?”

“One?”

“You don’t want to tell us how old he is?”

“We can’t say how old he is?”

“He’s so small!”

(They had serious attitudes, and moved their lips).

“Can they go up?”

“We heard little Sari and the others.”


N.B.—There are no more facts from this Vision. We spoke with the girls and they told us the following: “The Virgin is happy because the people have obeyed (they didn’t ascend to the top). She has told us to pray the Rosary. She said if they want they can come to pray here. She said that they will see her until the morning.


The people ascended and prayed the Rosary, which the girls led.

 

Monday, January 30, 2012

Fr. Ramon Andreu's Notes: Part One, Post 17


Second Manifestation

It came suddenly. The girls stayed on their knees in front of the Pines. Next to the Pines, with their backs to the scene, on opposite sides, were the child “witnesses.” Jacinta and Loli were on their knees in front of them and facing the Pines.


In the distance we heard something the girls said, but we didn’t understand anything. One of their mothers said: “They’re crying.” We also heard the kisses that they gave in the air, as though they were kissing something.


After a few minutes, about four, the pastor called to Mari Carmen, a child witness. She came slowly and when she arrived we asked her: “What are they saying?” She answered indifferently: “That she shouldn’t tell them bad things.” Sometimes she spoke of these bad things or sad things, probably the announcement of the punishment for sins, which was in the message of October 18, 1961. It made them cry.

Maricarmen

Mari Carmen


Jacinta and María Dolores were on their knees with their heads slightly lifted, looking at the same place. It’s as though they had their glance stuck to something. One of them inclined forward a little bit, but not much. They looked for stones, acted as though they were going to rub them on the grass, as though they were cleaning them a little bit. They offered them. One of them, Loli, seemed as though she was going to fall backwards. When Loli oscillated, the other girl threw her arm to her shoulder, but not always. All of this happened without them moving their glances or their faces. They never looked at one another.


One of the girls made a gesture of putting on a crown. She passed it to the other girl and that one put it on. Loli gave a slap, extending to fall backwards, and Jacinta grasped her. They looked for stones, feeling for them. The two girls offered them to the Vision. All of this happened without them removing their glances from what they were seeing in front of them.


They lifted their hands as though they were offering something. One of them crossed her arms. They lifted their arms as though they were taking something. We heard some kisses. They stretched out their arms, smiled, heard something and cried.


After 11 minutes they returned to the normal state. We ran to them and we observed that one of the girls still had tears on her face. We asked: “Why are you crying?” But they didn’t say why.


Upon asking who they had seen, they said: “Our Lady of Mt. Carmel,” and they also explained to us, saying: “We had the Virgin’s crown.”


Among the notes that I took on this same day, I have this observation: “When they’re not in the trance they’re absolutely normal girls. Their family members are nervous, not knowing what to do. The only ones who are calm are the girls.”


The summary that appears in Fr. Luís’s notes, combined with those belonging to Fr. Cipriano Abad and Andrés Pardo is this:


“I approached the children, running. I saw that Loli was crying. I asked her why she was crying. She didn’t respond to me. I asked her again: “Who have you seen?”—“We saw Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. We had the Virgin’s crown.” I asked her to ask the Virgin for a sign, for them to ask her. They didn’t respond.”

 

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

New Garabandal Book [Fiction But Has a Message for All]

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Warning Miracle is the first book of the Right in Front series by John Klee. It is a futuristic story based on the Apparitions of our Lady of Carmel in Garabandal, Spain and her messages to 12-year-old Conchita Gonzalez from 1961 to 1965. [N.B.: This apparition has not received Church approval. There are documents about it at EWTN here and here.]
During that period the blessed Virgin of Carmel appeared many times, gave Conchita messages, and performed miracles in an effort to convince the “doubting Thomases” of all times about their need to live their lifes according to Jesus’s teachings.
The author uses four main characters to tell the story: Dexter Griffith, an entrepreneur, robotic engineer, and owner of Grobotics; Thad Rankin, a zealous believer and taxi driver; Cheryl Hoffman, a chemical engineer working at Rohbear Foods; and Kevin Conaway, the quarterback of the Ohio State University football team.
As the story unfolds each of the four will have to overcome obstacles and tribulations, but they will also enjoy some success while trying to live the American dream under Chinese rule.
The Warning Miracle described by the author was a very creative variation of the original miracle of the Host that occurred in 1961. This was my favorite part of the book as it will allow each reader to examine their conscience and evaluate their life styles.
Warning Miracle by John Klee is an informative book about the apparitions in Garabandal, Spain and its devastating implications for our lives and those of future generations.

Thanks to: reviewed by Tannia Ortiz-Lopes
http://www.catholicfiction.net/

Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Update on Garabandal Conference

It seems that this Milwaukie is in Oregon. Here's a link to their Web Site:

http://www.sjbcatholicchurch.org/ 

Att: Milwaukie: Garabandal presentation is Jan. 27-28

Love without Measure

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MILWAUKIE — An upcoming Garabandal presentation will investigate the question, “Did the Blessed Mother Appear in Garabandal, Spain in 1961-1965?”

Maria Saraco, an expert on Garabandal, will give a video presentation and answer questions about the apparitions of Garabandal at St. John the Baptist Church at 7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 27, and again at 9:30 a.m., Saturday, Jan. 28. The church is at 10955 S.E. 25th Ave. For more information call the Marian Prayer Center at 503-786-9600.

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Monday, January 23, 2012

Fr. Ramon Andreu's Notes: Part One, Post 16

First Manifestation

This atmosphere of expectation lasted several long minutes until, suddenly, the commotion of the public that inundated the narrow streets of the village indicated that the girls were moving toward the fence or hoop that was in the road. The gesture of so many arms moving in the air indicated for us the direction of the place where the girls had begun the trance.


We ran through the road, jumping over the stones, and when we arrived there was a great group encircling the girls.

With difficulty, the priests attained an open road until they arrived next to Jacinta and Loli, who were the two that were thrust into the stony ground.


The aspect of the girls was the following: the head slightly raised. The eyes open. The glance of both fixed in front of them. Their faces were natural. The hands varied in attitude according to the different movements they made. The lips moved, pronouncing words. In front of one of the girls was a man with a knife, a doctor by profession, and it seemed that when he took the girls’ pulses he said this word: “Normal.”


A priest who was unknown to me took notes while kneeling next to the girls. During a few minutes he tried to understand what the girls said, but the noise that the people produced while pushing in a violent manner impeded hearing what the girls were saying in a low voice.


The noise made the falling of some stones that formed a little wall louder, where the public was trying to ascend.


The brigadeer of the Civil Guard and a number of other Civil Guards tried to impose silence. In the middle of the confusion Lolita’s father, always nervous, indicated that they shouldn’t go so near the girls and suddenly, exasperated, with a great voice he said: “Be quiet, please, but what is this?” “It cannot be like this, we don’t know what this is, or where we are.”


The reaction was that the silence was extended, even though it was still incomplete. In the middle of all of this tumult, the girls were completely away from it and they acted normally like a person talking alone with another person.


The sentences that those of us who were closer could match were small words and made almost no sense since we didn’t hear everything. It was more or less the following: “I already know—yes—no—I remember about the doctor. He wore a brown habit like the other day—no—yes—why? Yes—I don’t know anything—let’s go—yes—why are you smiling? Don’t go—huh? You haven’t been here any—yes—I didn’t know—you tell us so we know and so we don’t forget—I don’t know—what a shame! We do it worse—don’t go—wait a little.”


These sentences are incomplete because we can’t understand the majority of the things they said. Accompanied by the sentences, there were gestures: among the others they offered to kiss the rosaries that they had been given.


Suddenly, they returned to the normal state without a transition and getting up tranquilly, the two girls said at the same time that the Virgin had told them to go to the Pines. They said their parents, the priests, the religious, and the guards could go as well. They said that they could be in the Pines but far away. Everyone else had to be far away, very far away.


The movement to the Pines took place, during which the normality and tranquility of the girls was absolutely synchronized with their security in indicating the site where they should put the public, as well as the guards, priests, religious, and their parents.


When María Dolores was done going up the hillside where the Pines are, she returned and signalled with an arm gesture toward a trail on the hillside. She said: “Put them here.” The guards contained the multitude in a way that obeyed orders without exceptions.


Upon arriving at the Pines, the girls explained more clearly what they were going to do, and responded to our questions. We should put ourselves in the (?). In reality we were 20 or 30 meters away from the girls. The children had told the girls that we could see, but not hear. The same girls, Jacinta and Loli, looked absolutely natural and simple. There was no one there who formed a group of people that attended. Those who could witness the revelation were the parents of the girls, the priests, the guards, and the religious.


The Witnesses

Jacinta and Loli said in the moment that they returned to the normal state that they should be situated next to two girls, Mari Carmen and Sari. These two girls appeared to be 6 years old. The people of the village and the pastor said that they were “witnesses.” This wasn’t the first time that this happened. The “witnesses” were playing with Jacinta and Loli while they waited for the manifestation. The game was to run a little in an infantile manner, as if they were watching to see if one of the people who were not supposed to do so would come near. In reality the impression was that they had taken a pledge to complete an order that they had received. They controlled everything with their looks, collected small stones and put them on the ground next to the place where they should be displayed.


The seers demanded the presence of the child witnesses several times in the first weeks. It was always María del Carmen and Sari, two 6 year olds. On one occasion they wanted to switch these girls for older ones, 12 year olds, and the Vision said no, that she had said the younger ones should come.


We asked the “witnesses” what the “seers” had said and they repeated some words that they had heard, but they couldn’t understand the complete meaning of the conversation. This corresponded to the days on which the Virgin manifested the secret to the girls.


The interpretation is that it seems that Fr. Valentín could have some remote control over what happened in the trance, but without knowing what the girls were talking about. He knew that the conversation was about good things, but secret things. It seems that this corresponded to days and occasions on which the Vision was manifested to the girls in an oral manner as well appearing visually. The girls should make the message public on October 18, 1961.

 

Monday, January 16, 2012

Fr. Ramon Andreu's Notes: Part One, Post 15


Diario 4


4th Diary

July 29, 1961

Summary:

Ascent to the mountain. First manifestation. The witnesses.

Second manifestation. Third manifestation.

Fourth manifestation: according to Fr. Luís María Andreu, S.J.’s text. The same thing worked with Fr. Cipriano Abad’s notes and those of Fr. Andrés Pardo; they added clarifying notes.


Ascent to the Mountain

This day, July 29th, is the first day that I was in San Sebastián de Garabandal. Two days before I had received very vague news about what was happening there. When they invited me to go up, I responded that I didn’t have time to lose. Then the invitations were reiterated as was the pastor’s desire to find someone to tolerate the varied impressions that the phenomena were deriving, so I decided to accept. We went up in a group of four priests who were: Fr. Rufino, the pastor of San Sebastián del Valle (Vizcaya), Fr. Cipriano Abad, priests in Venezuela, my brother Fr. Luís, and I. Fr. Andrés Pardo came with us (he was a seminarian then) and some members of the Fontaneda family from Aguilar de Campoo.


During the somewhat laborious ascension we mixed points of humor, alluding to the apparitions. We finally arrived at the same place in San Sebastián de Garabandal. During the ascent, upon seeing our humor, an old man who was going down said: “Go up, go up, you will see how they already go down.” He seemed emotional.


After situating ourselves and waiting a little while at the edge, around 7:30 we felt a movement; there were around 500 people there who carried the news that two of the girls, Jacinta and Loli, had left the balcony where they had been playing quickly. We went up past the stones in the road where we waited, and after a few seconds our fellow priest, Fr. Rufino arrived, as did others. We asked him: “What has happened?” The answer was: “I was talking with a boy in the group and with two Carmelites and three countrymen about the events of the day. While we spoke, we watched Jacinta and Loli, who were playing with rosaries that we had entrusted to them for the Virgin to kiss. Suddenly, we observed that the girls disappeared from the balcony.” Some women corroborated what Fr. Rufino told us and added: “It had been the first call. There are two or three before the revelation.”


Among the people who went up, there was a member of the Civil Guard who brought a young girl with Down’s Syndrome. Another young person also carried a child whose legs were paralyzed and deposited him in the hoop. The paralyzed boy’s mother said that one of the girls had told them to go up. When the mother asked to where the girl responded: “We don’t know where we will go.”