If it cannot be accepted that Conchita invented such a definite and compromising prediction, neither could it be held that the prophecy of St. Malachy suggested it to her. First, because she was completely unaware of it; and secondly, because this prophecy and her prediction do not agree.
This prophecy concerning the popes, that is so talked about today, came out in 1595. A Benedictine monk from Belgium, Arnold de Wion, published at the time a voluminous work under the title of Ligum Vitae. It was a type of general biography of the great personages in his order. In this work were listed a series of 111 divisions or titles in Latin, which he reported as coming from an Irish saint of the twelfth century: St. Malachy, Archbishop of Armagh. These divisions tended to correspond, one after the other, to the popes that came after Innocent II, who died in 1143.
The authenticity of this enormous prophecy has been discussed endlessly; authenticity in a double sense: in whether it can be truly attributed to the saint, and in whether it really was inspired from above. I doubt if the question will ever be resolved. But there is something that strikes the reader; the amazing accuracy with which many of the titles describe the popes to which they correspond.
According to the prophecy of St. Malachy, after John XXIII there still remain five more popes. There are five more titles after his, ending with the name of the last successor of St. Peter. Conchita, on the other hand, speaks of only three. The discrepancy could be only an apparent one if, as some think, a new schism arises in the church, with the elevation of anti-popes. To these could correspond some of these last titles that seem to be in series,(29) attributing some to the legitimate popes and others to the false, or anti-popes.
The title of the last pope is given in these words, which if they are true, are shocking in their poignant sobriety:
In persecutione extrema Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae, sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulation bus; quibus transactis, civitas septicollis diruetur, et Judex tremendous judicabit populum suum. Finis.“In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, Peter the Roman will reign, who will pasture his sheep among multiple tribulations. When these have passed, the city of the seven hills will be destroyed and the terrible judge will judge his people. Finis."
Related to the succession of John XXIII and the possibility of the anti-popes is an episode which curiously is not mentioned either in Fr. Valentin’s notes or in the reports of the best-known witnesses of Garabandal.
On the suggestion of the pastor from Barro, who had his part in the episode, I wrote to Margarita Huerta in Madrid, asking for details. She answered on June 18th, 1973:
«Yes, I was in Garabandal during the visit of the false pope, Clement XV. But I can’t remember the date; possibly it was during 1963, as you suggest, or perhaps in 1964; I do remember that it was during my summer vacation, between July and August.»
(Concerning the year, there is no room for question. The November, 1972 issue of ‘La Verité,’ the magazine of Clement XV, contains an interview of the pseudo-pope with a reporter in which the psuedo-pope said, “I was in Garabandal on August 2nd, 1963"(30) (Just two months after the death of Pope John)
«He rode into the village in a big limousine, accompanied by two young laymen of about 21 years of age, and another one over 30 years old who seemed to be married.» According to Fr. de la Riva, those that accompanied him were wearing smart uniforms. «He wore an impeccable white cassock, and a similar white skullcap on his head, a ring like bishops wear, and on his chest there was a large cross hanging from a long chain. On seeing him, the people gathered around him immediately, thinking naturally that he was an important character. He gave his ring to kiss and all looked at him with the greatest respect.»
(Perhaps this reception was the basis for what he believed of himself . . . And what he told a reporter from Amsterdam, “I was received as the true pope. I was taken by the people of the village to the places of the apparitions. It was a triumphal hosanna. As I didn’t know the visionaries or their messages, I felt really surprised by such enthusiasm." The poor man had to believe that God had spoken there in his favor . . . But his euphoria was not destined to last long.)
«As neither he nor his companions spoke anything but French, my friend and I began to act as intermediaries. He told me that he had come to visit Garabandal by command of the departed John XXIII, who had confided to him the mission of investigating the events occurring there . . . At the time, I succeeded in getting away from him for a few moments and I went to where Fr. José Ramón García de la Riva had separated himself from the crowd’s commotion. I relayed his declarations to the priest and he told me, Go and ask him to show you the document that he brings from Rome.
When I asked him for it, he answered me, No. I don’t carry any document; John XXIII gave me the order verbally.
I went to tell this to Fr. José Ramón and he said to me, I don’t like the sound of this. Only God can know who this character is! Furthermore, I don’t want to know anything about this matter; I’m not looking for trouble. And he walked away.»
Amused, people came in increasing numbers to see the curious personage, and all thought that they were in front of an important figure of the Church. He then manifested his intention of celebrating Mass for everyone there up high at the Pines, since he carried a portable altar and had permission to celebrate Mass in all places. But Margarita Huerta dissuaded him, making him see that would not cause a good impression on the people, since everyone knew of the Bishop of Santander’s prohibitions . . . The man was somewhat dismayed, and apologized for personally being unaware of such prohibitions, although for him, they didn’t oblige in any way.
Margarita could not know that, at the same time in separate conversation, two of his accomplices were telling her friend Fracasado that he was the authentic Pope, the Pope "Flos florum" predicted by the prophet St. Malachy to follow John XXIII. And that it was he, Clement XV, and not the false Pope Paul VI, who should be obeyed.
Frustrated with regard to saying mass, Clement XV expressed to Margarita another desire: to talk with the girls of the apparitions. Immediately someone went to find them, but the girls, for some reason (perhaps they had been alerted about this suspicious personality), did not want to come.
Clement XV was irritated, and so at the time Margarita tried to soothe over the situation:
«Understand that the Bishop of Santander has prohibited priests and religious from coming here without written permission. And as you don’t carry any certificate, either your own or from Rome, the people have started to look at you with suspicion.
Then he asked me to find a house for him where he could eat and sleep. I took them to Tiva’s house and they invited me to eat with them; I accepted the invitation. Before ending, Clement XV still insisted on his desire of talking with the girls; he said to the oldest of those accompanying him, Why don’t you go with this woman to Conchita’s house and tell her to come here? The man answered without even looking at him, I? Why should I go? In no way will I go. Clement XV remained without saying a word.»
Finally they went to sleep. And on the next day, very early in the morning, they got away from the village in their limousine.
This sudden getaway had its reason. On the previous afternoon, as soon as rumors about this character wanting to pass himself off as the real Pope had come to his ears, Fr. de la Riva went to Ceferino, the Mayor of the village, to tell him this person’s stay would bring many troubles and problems to everyone. Then Ceferino went up to Clement XV to make him know, that if he did not immediately get out of the village, he would be turned over to the commandant of the civil Guard at Puente Nansa.
The warning had its effect. Clement XV dispensed with his pontifical air. Asking Ceferino not to do anything, he said they would leave right away, and would he permit them only to rest there that night.
This is the actual history of the episode that Clement XV experienced at Garabandal, and that nine years later in Amsterdam he encapsuled before a reporter in the words we have just seen, I was received like the true pope. I was taken by the people of the village to the places of the apparitions. It was a triumphal hosanna . . . I felt really surprised by such enthusiasm.
How is such self-suggestion possible? Or perhaps it is not self-suggestion . . .
In another place in this book, Conchita’s statement to the Mother at the college of Burgos on November 12th, 1966 was mentioned,
«You know Father Collin? Now he is passing for a pope. He was in my village. He wanted to talk with me, but my mother didn’t let him. Finally they threw him out of the village . . . Well, when I was in Rome, (January, 1966) they showed me a picture in a magazine on which I appeared next to him, and it was written there that he had been with me, and many other lies.»
Obviously, Clement XV wanted to exploit the events of Garabandal to his advantage, just as he has always tried to make people believe that the famous Secret of Fatima was in his favor.(31)
We have seen how Conchita repeated that she had heard that, after the last pope, there would not come the end of the world, but rather the end of the times. What is the difference?
This is a difficult question, which would require many pages for clarification. We will only make some brief considerations here, so that the matter will not be completely obscure.
If by end of the world is understood the annihilation of the cosmic world that we are acquainted with, we could well say that the end of the world will never come, since the world will not be destroyed, but substantially changed. To speak therefore of the end of the world is to refer to that final point in history when the existence of man as he is at present will be changed into another form, very different and much better.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth were gone . . . And death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more, for the former things are passed away. And He that sat on the throne said: Behold I make all things new. (Ap. 21: 1-5)
Such a substantial change would certainly comprise a tremendous display of upheaval and destruction; since for man, the worker of iniquity (Matt.13: 41), the change from the temporary state to the permanent will not be smooth.
But the present heavens and earth, by the same word are kept in store, reserved for fire on the day of the judgment and perdition of ungodly men . . . But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up. (11 Peter 3: 7-10)
To all this we refer when we speak of the end of the world. If the expression end of the times does not mean the same, then it would have to refer to something prior to it and of exceptional importance. What would this be? That is the question.
29. The four divisions that follow John XXIII are:
Flos florum = Flower of flowers
De medietate lunae = Half of the moon.
De labore solis = From the work of the sun.
De gloria olivae = From the glory of the olive branch.
30. Surely this August 2 is a printer’s error, and should be August 22nd. A letter from Conchita to Father Laffineur makes me think this way:
«San Sebastián de Garabandal August 23, 1963
Just a few words to tell you that yesterday a car came to the village with a man accompanied by two others. He was dressed in white and carried a large cross on his chest, also a skullcap and a ring. He was French.
He came saying that he was the Pope chosen by God; that Paul VI was elected only by the cardinals. He also said that from the time he was 35 years old, he saw the Virgin and also God, Who was the one who told him to come here . . .»
31. But who is this individual?
His name is Michael Collin and he is a fallen-away, former Catholic priest from France.
In the interview just mentioned, he himself resuméd the most important times of his life: I was baptized in Béchy where I was born. I was ordained a priest by Cardinal Liénart in Lillie. On April 28th, 1935, I was consecrated Bishop by Our Lord at Vaux-le- Metz; and finally, Pope, by God Himself in Sorrento, on October 7, 1950.
If such direct interventions from heaven to promote him do not seem peculiar,
certainly his pathway to being elected is, as he himself describes it:
From my childhood, the Lord let me know that I had to help the world and save it.
And when I was 16 years old, He clearly confided to me the mission of "saving the
world." When I made my First Communion, Jesus told me privately, "Miguel, you will be a priest one day; afterwards, bishop; finally, Pope."
From those years, the Lord appeared to me and also the Virgin. When I was still
small, I thought that everyone saw them as I. When I didn’t understand His words very well. He said to me, "Everything will become clear; we must hope."
And for a long time I doubted like this. But now that I have seen the Most Holy Virgin, clothed in black, shedding tears and asking me to accomplish my mission, I have put all my doubts aside. I will fight until the day on which God reigns on earth as in heaven . . .
In 1950, God himself consecrated me Pope in Sorrento. It was on October 7th, the feast of the Most Holy Rosary. From four until eight in the morning, I was in communication with Him . . . And I descended from St. Peter in a direct spiritual line, through Pius XII . . .
To save the world from an immense deluge, moral and material, and to make
straight the Church, which is walking toward the abyss; here is the reason and purpose for my life. And so we have an answer to the secret of Fatima, which announced a "miraculous Pope" to bring this mission to an end.
What got in the way to prevent him from doing this? Miguel-Clemente XV tells us point blank: Paul VI, friend of Satan . . . On the death of John XXIII, he himself declared, "I don’t want to be Pope; there is a French man who is already designated." He knew the secret of Fatima, since Pius XII had spoken to him about it. But later he preferred to be a usurper, and with his lamentable past . . .
And so from Pope Clement’s words, it is easy to understand our misfortune. And it
will be much worse:
The nations will be destroyed by an atomic war without precedent, if Clement XV
does not officially take over the direction of the Church.
Clement XV has spoken!